About Those SIG P320 Lawsuits - The Truth About Guns This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. how do I get one for my P320? The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. I just separate Shatner the man from Kirk the character, which he plays with Shakespearian operatic perfection. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts.
Pasco Deputy Fired Over Accidental Gun Discharge Fighting To - WUFT To me it was unreal, $600 to ask a question about WOK and a picture. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. No autographs, No self taken pictures. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. In a world of "innovative" guns, this truly is an innovated design and a step in the right direction for the future of pistols. The SIG P320, which has been manufactured since 2014, is known to go off without the trigger being pulled if it's dropped and lands on the ground at a certain angle. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. Third, Glock has had problems, too. Give me a break. 00:03. Theyre the only product that is not. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. , 54 people all shooting themselves. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. Sig Sauer Inc. has agreed to settle a class-action lawsuit over its P320 pistol, on which the Army 's Modular Handgun System is based. The new guy sucks. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit.
Does the P365 have a similar reputation for spontaneous - SIG Talk But this time, the sound bites used were different. The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. Much has been made of Nimoys Spock being the most popular character in TOS, but Id argue that without Shatners over-the-top swagger and brash manner, the balance would be lost. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby.
Sig Sauer P320: The US Army Loves This Gun (But There Is a Problem) Alec Baldwin fatally shoots cinematographer, injures director on set of An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). Have heard of no issues like the alleged gremlin caused spontaneous discharges of the P320 in other Sig models. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Because its flat out bull**it. . That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. Sound familiar? Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. It was expensive. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. You arent a gunfighter, either. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. . As they should. . This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! . That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. The probable reason that some folks are saying that the P320 is unsafe is that there was a lawsuit filed in federal court in July of 2020 (Guay v. Sig Sauer) alleging that the 320 fired "un-commanded" without a trigger pull while in a holster. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up.
Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. Trust a P365 with your life. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. But breaking news here, skippy. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? BAM. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. . If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? First off, no joke on me. Dont care for them, not my jam. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. selling the 365 with strikers breaking?
MPD guns fired on their own twice in 6 months - WISN Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. Again the Far Right Stupidity and hypocrisy is infinite. U.S. lawsuits And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off.
Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong - CBC Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. Ditto; that's what i was getting at earlier Bear007 Custom Aug 25, 2021 #18 The bullet struck a soldier in the leg. How about something more relevant.
Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge 2021 Perhaps nothing speaks more clearly to the need for a total recall than the fact that in 2021, over four years after Sig Sauer offered its voluntary upgrade, people are still suffering injuries and lawsuits continue to be filed. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. But that's not working in the P320, he said. (a) A person commits an offense if the person recklessly discharges a firearm inside the corporate limits of a municipality having a population of 100,000 or more. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. Was it his fault? LOL! Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. Fair enough. -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. 19 Feb 2021 Military.com | By Matthew Cox A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C.
Sig Sauer P320 9mm Gun: The US Army Loves It But There Is a Problem And I suspect at end of day this recent P320 one will be identified as a negligent discharge or from weapons from 2017 where owners failed to . Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. 1:07. So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. Who knows. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. There was no holster involved. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. Seems a bit apologetic to me. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. You simply may not PREFER one make to another, or may simply dislike another make, but were to the point in semi-auto pistol production history where amongst the big brands, the only real distinctions are preference. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) 2. The P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost . Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. The federal government intends to order up to 20,000 pistols for the military to replace its Second World War-era Browning Hi-Power handguns in a project that could be worth up to $50 million. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the.