See more about our ethics policies here. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. There are laws preventing this for a reason. The Dept. Or what if you Wow, quite a few idiot comments: Breeze Airways is a new airline thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. Arron, Im neither fat, unfit or rude, ugly well maybe. My starting pay clear back in 1983 was1500/month! Its schedule, price, loyalty program. You get what you pay for folks! And Moron #27 it's an INTERNSHIP.not a career. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. We pay the least to all our staff! Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. If not the comparison is poor. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. For the rest of my career at VX I commuted into SFO the night before a trip. To be honest, many college kids waste 4 years of tuition partying and enjoying life without learning anything substantial. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. For the right crewmember this could be an excellent opportunity. A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. All around me were developers making millions of dollars of year in salary and stock options, and there was little old me, paid hourly making about $28,000 a year in an expensive city. Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours Breeze won't charge change or cancelation fees Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. Grumpy old man can be Ebenezer Scrooge. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? At those rates, retention will be a huge problem. At least here they will learn something. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. Close. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. Let him eat his own crap for breakfast lunch and dinner. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. @samuel. 2. The pay scale also looks good. In other words, the airline is trying to exclude anyone who has a family, a college degree, or is looking to build a career. But its gross. Low fares. Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. Posted by 5 minutes ago. There is no contract (at will employment) and health insurance is provided and optional. No Per Diem. anything less than market rate? No guests. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. 1. may be it is totally moronic. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. Founded in 2018, Breeze Airways was advertised to become the Worlds Nicest Airline. It may be time to consider this for FAs too. Does Breeze offer enough pay to pilots? 1. I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. David Neeleman, the founder of Breeze Airways, also started JetBlue not too long ago, but the pilot payscale for both companies is quite different. These numbers are minimums. Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. NB: there's a pilot shortage. anything less than market rate?
Breeze Airways - Pay Scale Update | Jetcareers Great idea. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. To compare, many carriers guarantee at least 75 hours a month.
Breeze Airways Relaxes Flight Attendant Hiring Policy Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. *No insurance provided. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. Are they taking advantage of the pilot supply right nowprobably so, because they can, but to claim they're being "exploitative" is a stretch in my opinion. Of course we know what Nelson is really up: unions cant stand having to compete and this model could threaten her power and the power of her union. Ive written in the past about Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, which requires being enrolled in college and living in company housing. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. No thank you! Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! Hey. I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. To that end, it's not that much different than regular college life (many students work part time), but you won't burden yourself with huge college debt because those kids won't have to worry about tuition and housing. I have suggested reestablishing a mandatory retirement age for flight crew and a renaming to inflight first responders. Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. Interesting, @EMBCAPTN. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. Be honest. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). less than daily to leisure/small markets. This would be less cringey if there would be incentives for the flight attendants to move into positions such as pilots or air traffic control. Same pattern emerges for Captains as well. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. Spirit passengers, not so much.
[Breeze] Airways - Airline Pilot Central Forums Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. May be this a good business model. Take it easy. Pilots are incredibly overpaid as it is. Breeze Airways provides nonstop service between underserved routes across the U.S. at affordable fares. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. 'Fly Breeze for peanuts' could be a marketing slogan aimed at pilots as well as passengers. But.can't raise interest. Dolts.read the whole article. Spent $50 at the Vagabond motel next to the airport. A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. No one is forcing applicants to accept pay they don't like. Of course, I will never forget Herb Kelleher walking into a pintos union negotiation and exclaiming to them all, "Let's start by saying that I know you guys would do this nothing if you had to!". Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. Well what about Maintenance. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. the percentage of revenues it gets to keep, but because Spirit makes so little revenue on their high-cost investments they don't add up to much. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms and during spring break we slept 12 to a hotel room. The $1200 a month is not really a salary, but rather a stipend for a college-like experience while interning as FA part time. Free shipping for many products! Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. We wont pay for nice things. It's official: Breeze is no different from any other creepy Mormon MLM scheme. This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. But, lets be clear: unless theres a fairly substantial number of mid-career/midlife/middle aged people among the flight attendants, apart from seeking to keep labor (and other) costs down, its hard to miss the happy coincidence of also having an angle/approach that just so happens to allow for forever young flight attendants - like airlines based in countries that still allow for to hiring and firing based on age. I cringe at labeling jobs without limitless potential for professional growth as "dead-end". may be it is totally moronic. Airline startup Breeze Airways is set to offer Pilots uncompetitive pay in comparison to the rest of the airline industry. Also even the numbers you quote put them right in line (if not slightly above) the regional peers like SkyWest. Be honest. You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. This seems more in line with what they should be receiving for compensation. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. I am not necessarily rooting for him, since it depends on how happy employees are, but I think he and his outline of the new airline model have potential for spectacular success, regardless. This hasnt been without controversy, though. Fares are still way to high in the industry. Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? Breeze Now, Pay Later. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Theyll receive $6,000 towards tuition for online coursework, Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way, When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way, Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours, Breeze wont charge change or cancelation fees, Breezes trip costs will be 25-30% lower than for competitors with A320s or 737s, While Breezes Embraer aircraft will have 108-118 seats, the airline will be able to break even when selling just 60 seats, Since the lease costs on Breezes planes are so low, the airline can afford to keep the planes parked during the week when demand is low, and fly them primarily on weekends, when demand is much higher, It sounds like Breeze is going to have an unheard of cost structure that will put virtually any other airline to shame; if the airline can really break even with a 50-55% load factor all while operating fairly small planes (that are easy to fill), Breeze will be a force to be reckoned with, Breeze is claiming that technology will be a true point of differentiation, though I feel like virtually every airline executive claims that about their own airline; only time will tell if this is all talk, or if Breeze has done something that no other airline has successfully done, Its so strange to me how Neeleman is known for building airlines with incredible corporate cultures and employee morale, where employees are able to grow with the airline, while hes seemingly taking a different approach with Breeze; I wonder how Breeze will evolve over time. I considered myself a professional and definitely grew with my profession.. All union issues aside I find it interesting that he has singled out the flight attendants specifically.. Nobody even knows what the work culture, training will be like at this startup, yet look at all of the certainty in these comments already. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. JetBlue First Officers: $89 an hour for year 1 and $130 an hour by year 6, Captains at JetBlue: $192 an hour to start, then a climb to $203 an hour by year. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. Does everyone just think about cost of a ticket, but not how safe the aircraft are? This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. Should be a wage and hour attorney's dream; they'll be subject to every state's wage/hour laws wherever they fly and be subject to both private lawsuits as well as administrative cases from the wage/hour agency in those respective states. I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. Your speculation about how Breeze flight attendant will or will not make ends meet is rank speculation. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance? My airline had a trip that left LGA early in the morning to CMH. Those rates and minimums will almost certainly guarantee an ALPA swooping-in to negotiate better terms for their members. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. Very clever. The bad news is that there may not be enough hours. Wow, quite a few idiot comments: 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. Get some help. To eat while traveling. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? I'm not sure anything this post really supports the hypothesis that they're underpaid. This is corporate serfdom masquerading as an "opportunity". Not everyone is born into wealth and that could be one of the deciding factors for people to apply. Even with the limited details we know, its clear Breeze will be different than other airlines, from its approach to hiring flight attendants, to its cost structure, to its fleet. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. Please use the form below to submit updates and corrections to the airline information found on this site. Interesting model. @rich Does your fast food place include housing as part of compensation? Our fares are low! It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure.
Breeze Airways Is Recruiting Pilots; What Execs Look for When Hiring Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. Read on. Who here wants to entrust their lives to "fresh" ill-paid FAs? May I ask the age range that they are seeking @TravisFromORD? But it may be a great opportunity for some as I said for 1-2 years for a young person. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. US Air Force C-130H Delaware ANG Gemini Jets GMUSA114 Scale 1:400 IN STOCK. All rights reserved. @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. Clearly Breeze has already figured out that people who fall into their trap will regret their circumstances; that's why Breeze is also making them sign a 4-year contract. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. The average pilot will make more than this. Airfare provided to go home monthly. .
I am a 40 year flight attendant at a legacy carrierand I llove my job. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. Not for everyone - dah. I'm 41. Breeze has started hiring pilots, and its making pay at some regional airlines look lucrative by comparison (and keep in mind pilots often work at regional airlines to gain experience, and eventually get a job at one of the major carriers). "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. To work part-time only, with no benefits, as an "intern". Breeze Airways is finally making its debut on May 27 just in time for Memorial Day weekend and the start of what will likely be a busy summer season. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. I think it will succeed as long as they can attract enough flight attendants on an ongoing basis. Where do I sign up? Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. Of course, I know plenty of poor souls that wont have a choice. Forgot to add to my previous post that it is two person corporate housing with private bedrooms (think Residence Inn by Marriott, like SkyWest training). 2) Free Travel!
Breeze Airways: What You Need to Know - NerdWallet P Glotzer (United States) 1st March 2023. 6) When I have a lay-over in some capital of commerce, I may even be able to interview for my next great adventure for once I graduate!
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